A Protestant warning for this generation

Are These Things So?

“As the people go to their former teachers with the eager inquiry, Are these things so? the ministers present fables, prophesy smooth things, to soothe their fears and quiet the awakened conscience. But since many refuse to be satisfied with the mere authority of men and demand a plain ‘Thus saith the Lord,’ the popular ministry, like the Pharisees of old, filled with anger as their authority is questioned, will denounce the message as of Satan and stir up the sin-loving multitudes to revile and persecute those who proclaim it.”

Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy (1911), p. 606.2; originally The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 4, p. 425.1

The challenge

Ask the question directly

Take these two questions to your pastor, theologian, or conference leader. Ask for a direct answer, then compare the answer with the primary documents:

  1. Who authorized the change from the Protestant pioneer platform to a Catholic-influenced system of authority?
  2. How can something established by God Himself later be called error?

Then watch what happens. Does the answer rest on Scripture and the original record, or on institutional authority, tradition, and the fear of questioning accepted teachers?

One platform, three historical moments

1840–1850

The original Advent band came out of the fallen churches, passed through the Midnight Cry and October 22, 1844, and stood upon the pioneer platform.

1863

The pioneers organized an association of believers and churches for gospel cooperation, unity, and efficiency in labor. This was not itself a civil church-state corporation.

April 15, 1904

This was not a harmless paperwork update. The General Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists was incorporated in Washington, D.C. on April 15, 1904, creating a civil legal structure with the power to hold property, govern institutions, and speak for the denomination under civil law. That incorporated body must be examined as the new organization Ellen White warned about—not casually treated as identical to the original Advent movement built on the pioneer platform.

The platform and the new organization

“As a people, we are to stand firm on the platform of eternal truth that has withstood test and trial. We are to hold to the sure pillars of our faith. The principles of truth that God has revealed to us are our only true foundation. They have made us what we are. The lapse of time has not lessened their value. It is the constant effort of the enemy to remove these truths from their setting, and to put in their place spurious theories.”

Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, book 1, p. 201.2

“The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? … A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced.”

Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, book 1, p. 204.2

“Those who would tear down the foundation that God has laid are not to be accepted as the teachers and leaders of His people.”

Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, book 1, p. 205.3

“The waymarks which have made us what we are, are to be preserved, and they will be preserved, as God has signified through His Word and the testimony of His Spirit. He calls upon us to hold firmly, with the grip of faith, to the fundamental principles that are based upon unquestionable authority.”

Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, book 1, p. 208.2

“In amazement they hear the testimony that Babylon is the church, fallen because of her errors and sins, because of her rejection of the truth sent to her from heaven.”

Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, Chapter 38, “The Final Warning,” pp. 606–607
The three heralds of the original Advent platform: Joseph Bates, James White, and John N. Andrews
Hold to the fundamental principles. Follow the waymarks through the testimony of Joseph Bates, James White, and John N. Andrews.

Continue the investigation

Read the warning through the original Advent record

Follow the trail from Babylon’s claims, through the Exodus call, into the pioneer biographies and Charles Fitch’s original “Come Out of Her, My People” appeal.

Primary Source Directory

Church Order, Ordination, and the Early Advent Movement

Before later manuals and institutional systems, early Advent believers wrestled openly with gospel order, church officers, conferences, discipline, messengers, and the work of women. This directory gathers the periodical witnesses so the pioneers can speak in their own setting.

Historical Distinction

Church Organization Is Not Civil Incorporation

An association may remain unincorporated, or it may later become incorporated. Its legal character is determined by its charter and governing law—not merely by the word “association.”

The original records show that Captain Joseph Bates supported gospel order, organized churches, state conferences, and the General Conference. They do not prove that he wanted the church itself converted into a civil corporation.

Keep the periods separate: The original Advent movement of 1840–1850 was the body of believers raised up through the Advent message, the Midnight Cry, and the October 22, 1844 disappointment. The pioneers later organized an association of believers and churches in 1863 for gospel cooperation, unity, and efficiency in labor. That association must not be rewritten as a church-state corporation or confused with the civil incorporation recorded on April 15, 1904. The 1863 ecclesiastical association and the 1904 legal corporation are different historical and legal questions.

The Laodicean Departure from the 1840–1850 Platform

The documentary argument presented here is that the later departure must be measured against the original platform, not used to rewrite it. The 1840–1850 Advent movement came out of the fallen Protestant churches with the first and second angels’ messages, passed through the Midnight Cry and the October 22, 1844 disappointment, and continued by faith in the heavenly sanctuary, the law of God, the seventh-day Sabbath, and the everlasting gospel.

On April 15, 1904, a different legal step was recorded: the incorporation identified in the “New Organization” record. Read alongside Ellen White’s warning in Selected Messages, book 1, pages 204–205, this becomes the page’s central historical question: did a later structure backslide toward the same system of religious authority and civil power from which the Advent pioneers had been called out in 1840–1850?

“A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced.”— Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, book 1, p. 204.2

This is the Laodicean warning applied to the historical record: the people who once left Babylon must not return to Babylon’s methods under a new name. The question is not settled by a denominational label. It must be tested through the actual documents—charters, officers, governing laws, doctrines, discipline, property powers, and historical fruits.

Compare the two platforms plainly: the 1840–1850 Advent band and its pioneer testimony on one side; the later incorporated “new organization” and its institutional powers on the other. The purpose of this page is to place the records before the reader so the departure, backsliding, and claims of continuity can be examined rather than assumed.

What the Records Establish

1854

Biblical church order

Captain Bates’s “Church Order” addressed qualified servants, discipline, and orderly gospel labor within the body of believers. This was ecclesiastical order under Scripture, not a proposal for a state-chartered church.

Open the pioneer article collection →
1861

Battle Creek organizing conference

Captain Bates chaired the conference where believers adopted a church covenant, organized the Michigan Conference, established officers and ministerial credentials, and coordinated evangelistic labor.

Read the original proceedings →
1863

Recognized General Conference delegate

At the founding General Conference session, Captain Bates was recognized among Michigan’s ministerial delegates. The constitution described “unity and efficiency in labor” and “perfecting the organization.”

Read the proceedings →
“We, the undersigned, hereby associate ourselves together, as a church, taking the name, Seventh-day Adventists, covenanting to keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus Christ.”

Loughborough’s Five Steps of Apostasy

“The first step of apostasy is to get up a creed, telling us what we shall believe. The second is, to make that creed a test of fellowship. The third is to try members by that creed. The fourth to denounce as heretics those who do not believe that creed. And fifth, to commence persecution against such.”— J. N. Loughborough, 1861 organizing conference, reported in the Review and Herald, October 8, 1861

Open the 1861 organizing conference record → Read Loughborough’s pioneer record →

The pioneers rejected human creeds while accepting biblical organization. Their aim was order, unity, accountability, and cooperation under Scripture.

Two Organizations—Which One Are You Joined To?

The 1840–1850 Advent band crossed its Red Sea on October 22, 1844 and contended for “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 3, KJV). Then came the April 15, 1904 incorporation and the later federal tax-exempt corporate system—complete with creedal tests and institutional enforcement. Christ alone is the Husband and Head of His church—not the state, a charter, or the Internal Revenue Code.

Examine the documents. Compare the foundations. Choose the wise-virgin platform.

See the April 15, 1904 record →

The Creed Becomes a Weapon

J. N. Loughborough warned that apostasy begins by constructing a creed, making it a test of fellowship, trying members by it, denouncing dissenters as heretics, and finally persecuting them. That pattern should be tested against the documentary record whenever denominational authorities discipline, disfellowship, silence, remove, or threaten believers because they cling to the original faith of the Advent pioneers.

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”— Jude 3, KJV

The federal tax-exempt entity is listed under the legal name GENERAL CONFERENCE OF SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS, EIN 52-0643036, with recognition under §501(c)(3). Official denominational materials separately identify The General Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists as the corporation associated with registered trademarks. These related names should not be treated as interchangeable; each charter, tax record, and governing instrument must be examined individually.

The documentary trail begins with the incorporation recorded on April 15, 1904. Read the charter and examine the record for yourself:

April 15, 1904—The “New Organization” Record →

The claim that incorporation created an alliance between ecclesiastical authority and the state is a theological interpretation, not the literal legal effect of incorporation. The legal questions remain concrete: what body was incorporated, under which law, with what officers, property powers, and succession?

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?”— 2 Corinthians 6:14, KJV
“For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name.”— Isaiah 54:5, KJV

Christ—not Caesar, Congress, the District of Columbia, a corporate charter, or the Internal Revenue Code—is the Husband and Head of His church. When a religious corporation uses civil privileges, creedal tests, employment power, property control, trademark litigation, or church discipline to crush those contending for the original faith, Loughborough’s five-step warning should be read against those actions.

Historical precision: The 1904 incorporation was not originally a “501(c)(3) incorporation.” Section 501(c)(3) belongs to later federal tax law, and the General Conference states that its federal group tax exemption was granted in 1950. The accurate argument is that the corporation formed in 1904 later operated within the federal tax-exemption system—not that §501(c)(3) existed on April 15, 1904.

The Publishing Corporation Was Separate

The Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association was a separate property-owning and publishing body. It could own presses and buildings, issue financial notes, receive investments, maintain assets and liabilities, elect corporate officers, and operate under Michigan corporation law. The October 1861 issue reports its annual business meeting separately from the church conference, including members, voting interests, shares, accounts, assets, liabilities, officers, and salaries.

Ecclesiastical bodyLegal publishing body
Michigan ConferencePublishing Association
Ministers and church delegatesMembers holding voting interests
Church covenant and gospel orderArticles, bylaws, property, and publishing
Association of churchesLegally incorporated association

The paper says of the Publishing Association: “It is organized legally.” The corporation served the church’s publishing work; it was not presented as being the church itself.

Read the Publishing Association report →

The Historically Sound Conclusion

Captain Joseph Bates supported organization—but organization is not incorporation. In 1861 Bates chaired the conference that organized the Michigan Conference. In 1863 he sat as a recognized delegate when the General Conference was organized “for the purpose of securing unity and efficiency in labor.” These were covenantal associations of believers, churches, ministers, and delegates. The separately incorporated Publishing Association existed to own property and conduct publishing business. The pioneers organized the church under gospel order; they incorporated a publishing instrument under civil law. The association of believers was not thereby transformed into the corporation that served them.

Qualification: An association is not necessarily a corporation—but an association can become incorporated. The legal question must be answered from the actual charter, governing law, and transfer of authority.

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Ordination

Each citation searches the official Adventist Archives domain for the original issue and article title.

Bates, Joseph. "Church order." Review and Herald, August 29, 1854, 22–23.Find the archive source →Bates, Joseph. "Joseph Bates to James White." Review and Herald, May 18, 1854, 148.Find the archive source →Bourdeau, A. C. "The Vermont Conference." Review and Herald, November 2, 1869, 150.Find the archive source →Bostwick, J. "Conference in Lynxville." Review and Herald, June 19, 1860, 87.Find the archive source →Cottrell, R. F. "Submission." Review and Herald, October 9, 1856, 181.Find the archive source →Cottrell, R. F. "What are the duties of Church officers?" Review and Herald, October 2, 1856, 173.Find the archive source →Emerson, D. W. "Business items." Review and Herald, July 8, 1858, 64.Find the archive source →"Fifth annual session of the N.Y. and Pa. Conference." Review and Herald, October 16, 1866, 158.Find the archive source →Frisbie, J. B. "Church order." Review and Herald, December 26, 1854, 147–48.Find the archive source →Frisbie, J. B. "Church order." Review and Herald, January 9, 1855, 153–155.Find the archive source →Frisbie, J. B. "Church order." Review and Herald, June 19, 1856, 62–63.Find the archive source →Frisbie, J. B. "Church order." Review and Herald, June 26, 1856, 70–71.Find the archive source →Frisbie, J. B. "Church order." Review and Herald, July 3, 1856, 78–79.Find the archive source →Frisbie, J. B. "Church order." Review and Herald, July 10, 1856, 86.Find the archive source →Frisbie, J. B. "Deacons." Review and Herald, July 31, 1856, 102.Find the archive source →Gurney, H. S. "H. S. Gurney to James White." Review and Herald, December 18, 1853, 199.Find the archive source →Holt, G. W. "Report of business meeting at Golboa Conference." Review and Herald, November 13, 1860, 206.Find the archive source →Hutchins, A. S. "Our visit to Canada." Review and Herald, November 13, 1860, 205.Find the archive source →Lane, E. S. "Church trials." Review and Herald, March 1, 1860, 119.Find the archive source →Loughborough, J. N., Moses Hull, and M. E. Cornell. The conference address, October 15, 1861, 156–57.Find the archive source →Smith, Uriah. "Editorial correspondence no. 3." Review and Herald, October 8, 1867, 264.Find the archive source →Stone, C. W. "The Wisconsin camp meeting." Signs of the Times, October 3, 1878, 293.Find the archive source →The Church Manual. Review and Herald, June 5–October 9, 1883 (18 installments).Find the archive source →Waggoner, J. H. "Messengers of the churches." Review and Herald, May 15, 1859, 204–205.Find the archive source →White, Ellen G. "Mission of Paul and Barnabas." Signs of the Times, June 12, 1879, 177.Find the archive source →White, James. "Church order." Review and Herald, January 23, 1855, 164.Find the archive source →White, James. "Eastern tour." Review and Herald, September 20, 1853, 84.Find the archive source →White, James. "Gospel order." Review and Herald, December 20, 1853, 188–190.Find the archive source →White, James. "Gospel order." Review and Herald, December 6, 1853, 173.Find the archive source →White, James. "Meetings in Ohio." Review and Herald, March 25, 1858, 149.Find the archive source →White, James. "The conference." Review and Herald, May 24, 1864, 204.Find the archive source →White, James. "The ministry, no. 4." Review and Herald, August 8, 1865, 76.Find the archive source →White, James. "Western tour." Review and Herald, July 4, 1871, 20.Find the archive source →White, James. "Yearly meetings." Review and Herald, July 21, 1859, 68.Find the archive source →
02

Women’s Ordination

These sources record the early discussion of women speaking, preaching, co-working, gifts, and relation to the church.